Monday, February 16, 2009

What's a Spoiler?

8 comments:

Jaime Van Hoose Steele said...

I have yet to feel like you guys have spoiled a movie. In fact your reviews have made me want to see more movies! So whatever you're doing it's workin!

Nick Galieti said...

30 minutes? That is a garbage idea! Every movie is different so how can you say that anything in the first 30 minutes works? What about Lord of the Rings? The Fellowship wasn't even organized until an hour into the thing? Perhaps my even saying that would be considered a spoiler because it gives away the flow of the story.

And I don't agree that you can come up with a percentage either. For example, you can't say that if it happens within the first 10 percent of movie it is okay. Setting any kind of formulaic standard with respect to time is fundamentally flawed because it is unable to deal with all presentations subjectively and individually.

I think you guys have neglected to discuss all types of spoilers. For example, you have approached only plot spoilers, but what about humor spoilers? How many times have people blurted out the funniest parts of a movie before you have seen it?

Cameron's Corner said...

Nick: I think you've gone a little too far here. I agree with what you're saying about the 30 minute thing... which is why I was careful when describing its application. Obviously I don't want to discuss a huge plot point that's pivotal to the flow of the movie regardless of when it happens.

You and John are on the same disturbing wavelength in regards to what is considered a spoiler. You're afraid about spoiling the "flow" of Lord of the Rings? Please! Maybe a Ringer would be pissed, but the average movie goer couldn't care less about what you've said in your comment.

Plus, do you think it matters at all when the movie was released? I'm just throwing it out there... I'm not sure how I feel about it myself. But that means every conversation you have about Citizen Kane needs to have a disclaimer at the beginning of the discussion so you don't reveal anything about Rosebud, right?

If I took your and John's opinion to heart, this would be my review of every movie.... ready?

"This movie was great, cause it had some great things in the movie. I can't tell you what it had, cause you might not already know. I can't tell you if the acting was good or not, cause you might want to form your own opinion of the actors without any opinionated nudging from me. I can't even tell you if I think you should see this movie, cause you may not agree with me. So this movie was great cause it was great with lots of greatness."

Cut and paste for every review.

Anonymous said...

I think you are really twisting things here Cameron. Now I dont clam to know alot about movies but I havent felt like a movie was ruined by any of your reviews.

Cameron's Corner said...

Nick Golden: I don't think we've ruined any movies, either (except the obvious ones that we tell people we're spoiling). But John seems to think we do.

I also know that I'm twisting things. If I can't be 100% right (which I know I'm not) then I just try to make the opposing argument sound as ridiculous as possible. Unfortunately, it usually ends up making me look more ridiculous and desperate than my opposition... like what happened here.

Oh well.

Anonymous said...

I think you guys are married!

everyday amy said...

The general public's encyclopedia (wikipedia) says:

"A spoiler is a summary or description of a narrative (or part of a narrative) that relates plot elements not revealed early in the narrative itself. Moreover, because enjoyment of a narrative sometimes depends upon the dramatic tension and suspense which undergird it, this early revelation of plot elements can "spoil" the enjoyment that some consumers of the narrative would otherwise have experienced."

Cameron's Corner said...

GarageDoorSafety: Why do you think we're married? Is it because we argue like a married couple and make out on the weekends?